We’ve launched the new interface for managing projects and tags (labels) for projects in Nozbe. If you’re a Nozbe power user, make sure to search for your labels below “Projects” now:
Hope you like the new “bubbled” labels and the ease of use of labels in Nozbe and they’ll help you get even more done!
Technorati tags: nozbe, gtd, labels, projects, management
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Cool. When do we get the new Inbox link/icon?
Bubbles are coming everywhere! Good job, Michael.
I was wondering why labels are not extended to Contexts and Next Actions. For instance, I come to work and would like to see all my next actions of the “Work” area of focus and while I’m working in this area of focus I would like to see only contexts which are available for the “Work” label. In current implementation it’s really hard to manage more than 10 contexts(subcontext could be another solution but it’s not so flexible as labels as you’ve mentioned).
Thanks,
Maxim Filimonov
i agree with MAXIM – thats a great idea.
@ Matt – just go to any project you want to make your “inbox” and click on “info” and “make this project my inbox” and that’s it.
@ Maxim, thanks for your comments and good suggestions.
Everyone – thanks for your support and hope you like this new change. We believe it makes the interface less cluttered and helps everyone get more done.
This interface is a little confusing. After I created a new label and clicked on it in the left sidebar, I seemed to have “lost” all my projects. How do I restore this?
I agree that interface is much better for labels but strongly disagree that better than sub projects.
I’ve been testing omnifocus over the weekend and it’s a dream to have folders and sub folders to organise my projects into.
They also have sub contexts which i’ve found incredibly useful also and cleaned up my projects.
You say that this complicates things but I find it simplifies it for me.
I thought the principle behind GTD was to create a trusted system that matches the way you think – well I put things in folders and sub folders in my brain naturally as I think most of us do and find this the only thing that is keeping me looking for another solution.
I feel you are making a big mistake by ignoring peoples wishes to add this functionality – like you said – people will probably leave due to this – i think you are right…...
It’s a real shame as I like Nozbe but can’t overlook this feature for the way I WANT to work…
Thanks..
What you can do to create a sub-project structure is to add a label with the same name as your project and tag your project and the sub-projects with that label. If you need to have a sub-sub-project, just add a label with your sub-project name and tag your sub-project ….(etc).
Visually it doesn’t look like folders, but it does somewhat simulate the structure you need.
Hope it can help you.
Thanks Mathias :)
I do that already and indent names with . . . in front to make them look like sub projects but end up with 100’s of labels which doesnt help my productivity or fit in with how i work. Plus can’t see how long a whole project will take as they arent really related.
I have many complex projects on the go as a software developer and it is really important to be able to categorise and sub categorise tasks.
The only way I can do this now is to use an external system for my support materials – which I don’t want to do.
I understand we all work in different ways and tags may be good for some – just doesn’t work for me and a few others according to forum – is a shame cus is a great product!!!
Thanks anyways
For the moment, the label bubble totally disappeared from the page and every projects were shown on the left column on my Chrome browser. It turned out that I needed to clear browser chache to refresh the display. This could be a gotcha so I decided to mention here.
Sharon, You just created a label but did not assign any projects to that label so the project column is empty. You need to “show all projects” and then assign the label you jsut created to each project.
@tim
As a migrant from Omnifocus I can tell you that categorization and work with a lot of projects is not really the best side of Nozbe compare to Omnifocus.
Basically hierarchy vs tags is quite a long fight. Check Gmail for instance, it’s tag based only no hierarchies available. Nozbe lack of multiple labels/tags selection doesn’t allow to artificially create hierarchy but I think multiple labels selection(again look at Gmail) is coming soon and then labels become more powerful. The thing about Omnifocus is how OmniTeam ignores dozens of users praying for at least web interface because most people work on Windows not on Mac that’s where Nozbe pwned Omnifocus :)
Would love to be able to use labels for actions independent of projects!
@Maxim
I hear you my friend – I totally get the tag thing but it just doesn’t work for me – I don’t want to artificially create a hierachy – i want a hieracy – thats how I think and structure things.
Also I agree that a web version of Omnifocus would be great but I can understand them not doing that as it would be a huge undertaking. Michael however commented on a post that it would only take him a short time to code (i think he said a couple of hours) – it’s just that he’s not and never will be doing it. As a software dev myself I try my best to make the systems I write fit my clients way of working and requests. It just seems to me like we are being forced to do things the way he sees and interprets GTD which I find a little annoying.
When so many people clearly want this functionality – it comes up over and over again, and with it being easy to impliment then why not?
Sorry for the rant but I find the stubborness shown over this feature rather annoying.
BTW: Michael – I really appreciate your hard work and passion for the subject and have nothing against you – just think this is a crazy point that you are making – and crazy that you are prepared to lose loyal clients over such a simple request???
@Tim Hear hear! I believe Mubarak tried the same trick in Egypt and look where that got him! :) Power to the people! :)
My feedback regarding the change:
[PLUS] I like that tags are visible and editable from the main column above ‘New Action’ button.
[MINUS] I do not like hiding all tags on left column. Before there was a ‘tag cloud’ which faster to use. Now selecting a tag is two clicks away versus one click in the past.
@Marcin – yes it’s two clicks, but it’s not the clicks that you do so often.
@Tim – yes, I believe so much in not having sub-projects is good for users that I am willing to lose customers over this. I believe in long term hierarchy like sub-sub-sub will kill productivity
@Diane – use contexts – they are like labels for actions
@Maxim – thanks for heads up, Omnifocus is really complicated and very professionally done app, but it’s not simply get things done…
@MasakiA – thanks for the bug, we’ll check if we can fix it – thanks for your support.
Thanks everyone for lots of feedback on this one – we’re thinking of optimizing the interface better to help you get more done with labels and we are considering a solution to let you keep labels open at some point. I asked about it on the forums and got lots of useful feedback. – we’ll make sure to make it better so keep the feedback coming.
As much as I like Nozbe, I cannot let say that Omnifocus is really complicated. Omnifocus can be as simple as one wants it to be (a folder per project and the next actions in that folder). it can also be more powerful then Nozbe in some areas (perspectives, subfolders when needed, a very good waiting for implementation etc …). But even for somebody who has the chance to use only macs, at work/home, Nozbe has its own advantages: Team collaboration, android app (alas at the end of 2013 ;) and, last but not least, evernote integration (but only when it works ;).
@Michael, @Maxim and @Tim – I used Omnifocus before I came to Nozbe and I found (find) it to be excellent and much more intuitive than Nozbe. I’m also more than a little annoyed about the condescending way that we’re treated here. The ONLY reason I use Nozbe rather than Omnifocus is that I’m Windows based rather than Mac based. Unless you (Michael) start to listen to your customers and implement things like sub-projects then the moment that Omnifocus is implemented as a web based system (they keep promising this will happen) you will lose a lot of your customers.
I also don’t think that you (Michael) should claim that Nozbe is a sytem that easily allows the implementation of GTD, it doesn’t it takes a lot of knife and forking to get something near to GTD working in Nozbe. It certainly wasn’t designed around GTD.
Finally (sorry for going on :-)) If you read GTD David Allen repeatedly points out that different people work in different ways and there is no “one size fits all” solution with GTD. He even talks about sub-projects in his books…..
Also (finally, finally) don’t understand the “simply” reference relating to Omnifocus, it is IMHO far simpler to run GTD on Omnifocus than Nozbe.
Hope this feedback is helpful.
Just came back to Nozbe after years of trying other things. I thought all the changes would solve the problems I had earlier. Unfortunately the lack of subfolders is becoming a major problem. Since there isn’t a “one size fits all” solution as Andy pointed out, couldn’t this be an option we could simply turn on or off in settings? Those who don’t want the clutter are happy, and those of us who want (need) the extra organization are happy as well. Sounds fair to me.
I haven’t found the software easy to use at all, and help is pretty much useless. Help seems to consist of only sales material. “Contact us” is a joke. The main reason I can’t seem to find the system useful is the inability to have sub-projects. Context is OK, but there needs to be an ability to also group projects within a context. My project list is entirely too long and makes it difficult to make the system useful. Unless I’ve completely missed something like useful help and higher order organizational capability I will be canceling my subscription.
I just subscribed to test Nozbe for my company (7 people) and started to populate my to dos…and immediately hit a brick wall due to no labels (tags, whatever you want to call them) and no subfolders. My lists also get quite long, as they include tasks delegated to everyone else as well as my own. I am reading here that there used to be a tag cloud feature. That sounds like a great way to handle things. Why was it dropped? I am surprised by a product that offers fewer features as it evolves. But mostly I am astounded to read the position that the developer is taking, refusing to consider customer’s requests and being willing to lose clients over this. That doesn’t bode well for my future satisfaction as I consider investing almost $500 a year here.
There are so many choices of similar products out there now, and the list is growning. I will have to keep searching. I know I can’t use a program without further catagorization abilities. Unfortunately, I am cancelling my subscription, first day in.
I really miss having the tag cloud along with the number of projects listed under each tag. I create a tag for each quote I’m working on and it was great to see at a glance how many quotes I had at any given time.
I just registered for a personal account and the main reason was integration with Evernote. Fighting with this label structure. Why do I have to lose labels if they are not assigned? I’m using an iPad. Say I use a label for roles like “Brother” or “Student” and because I have no project assigned to it, I lose the label? I keep track of my responsibilities and roles with labels/tags, so losing them just because nothing is assigned to them hopefully will not become a deal-braker. Luckily there’s the 2 month guarantee, just bought a year.
at approx 2:12 mark you describe adding another label that creates a sort of sub project. That’s not happening on my end. No ‘automatic adding’ of the primary project. Doesn’t do it in IE, Chrome, or Mizilla.
Michael, thanks for developing this, but few comments.
1) SUB-PROJECTS are ESSENTIAL, and I am not going to say anything else.
You are about to lose all of us, because I introduced this software to all my Project Team and they almost killed me for the lack of sub-projects.
BTW, I used Omnifocus for a while and, as many other people already said, the only reason why I looked for something else was to share with colleagues using Win.
2)
Why do we have only 5 Contexts shared with all the team??
I was going to use that as sub-hierarchy, but I cannot…
3)
Why not extend the “Label” to single Actions, instead of Projects??
Same as point 2…
It will implicitly allow sub projects and hierarchy…
Least, but not last, I am afraid to say so, because I really believe in GTD, but you are losing all of us at the end of the month, we subscribed for a 1 month period to try it as a group, but I cannot get around the NON sub-projects thing.
Sorry.
David
Thanks so much for quickly putting together this video. Labels will definitely help my work flow.